catapult magazine

so, i have this theory. it’s that well, i kill conversation. it’s a theory. or rather most descriptively (spelled wrong) a hypotesis, still waiting to be a theory. it’s only here on cino, i post, no one responds. the funny thing is when i was on this other rockin’ message board called thinkwonder (rip) it happened too. not always but it worked it self out, so that when i’d post on something, no one would reply.

so, i guess this is my question, what is it that i do? is it that you don’t know who i am, so you don’t take me seriously? is it that i suck? is it that it just happens to be when a topic is dying that i post, and coincidene occurs?

i’ve been told i think about somethings to much, this maybe one of those things. in fact, i’m considering not putting this online…but i think i will for a while.

sub-question (high fidelity anyone?)
does anyone else here visit any other and participate in discussion boards besides cino? i know everyone and their brother silly simon has one, but i’m curious if there are others that you like or whatever.

i apologize for making look to me, i write in crazy circles, and i think i may be a selfish person…..

ta

(jimbo bam-bo says the blind banana.)

Holy moly, y’all.

enok and I go way back to thinkwonder (the aforementioned rockin’ website. RIP indeed!) when he was known as ‘enokwons’. Remember those times! On thinkwonder, crazy, free-associatin’, ramblin’, purely fun posts abounded. It was wild, and many times, brilliant. Poetry was created. So I think what’s going on here is our friend enok trying to introduce a little o’ that flavor right here on *cino’s message board. Trouble is, *cino didn’t start out as that kind of website or message board. Posts have mainly been immediately understandable and usually discussion-oriented. So what we have here is a sort of rite of passage for *cino. A radical new element has been introduced. I don’t think it is contrary to the mission statement and I certainly don’t think that anyone should be censored! Really, I’m saying the same thing as Dan (thanks Dan!). Post on! Stir things up, have a ball, and don’t forget why we’re here.

I agree that perhaps an “Open Mike” section might be nice for items not meant to be discussed or debated at length (such as the ode to another man’s wife). Notice that I, mrsanniep, in a rare moment of responsible journalism, avoided using the word “creative” to modify “items.” I don’t want us to make linear thought/writing/discussion synonymous with UNcreative. I think quite the contrary.

Or, actually, would it be acceptable to discuss/debate a person’s “creative” contribution? If our ideas and opinions are subject to debate, why not our more literary efforts??

mrsanniep, you make a very good point. I don’t think that “creativity” for its own sake should be embraced unquestioningly. Just because something is new or different or “creative” or whatever does not make it good.

That said, I think it would be a fantastic idea to set up a forum for poetic/literary contributions to the site so that members could have fun and be expressive and try things.

Also, yeah, I think it is perfectly appropriate to discuss someone’s creative effort. While it’s great to support artistic endeavors it’s also important for a community to provide constructive ciriticism—like with any film, literature, art, music, etc., it’s important both for the artist and the audience to learn to discern the good stuff from the crap.

Disagree with what? That you’re able to use slang without responsibility?

>I respectfully disagree with you.
>
>Cheers,
>mrsanniep

To separate all things foreign to your style or liking is discrimination. Those of you who are not comfortable with posts like enok’s would rather it be filed away where you don’t have to see it. After all, if it makes you uncomfortable, it has to go.

My message remains true.
Embrace the entire *cino community.

>That said, I think it would be a fantastic idea to set up a forum
>for poetic/literary contributions to the site so that members
>could have fun and be expressive and try things.

C’mon people. Lighten up! When I post something about George Bush I don’t want someone responding with a post about toe nail crusties. Am I closed-minded because I want to have a discussion about something rather than everything?

Actually, Pacey, I believe that kristinmarie’s suggestion of setting up a forum for poetic/literary contributions would help in NOT letting things get “filed away” or lost in the general discussion category.
Technically, yes, it would be “separate”, but the whole discussion board is set up under “separate” categories (music, literature, biology, etc.) to draw people to what categories might interest them more than others (especially if they don’t have time to read everything).
In short, I think that setting up a new category for creative expression would be embracing it rather than discriminating against it. But that’s just my thought…

I just want to make it clear that I never said or meant to imply that I am (god forbid) uncomfortable with enok’s choice of style. I think his timing (re-read the original post waaaay back at the top) stank. I think he was sort of rude in some of his comments (ie: “i mean i went through all this, and now what? this crap about broader lifestyle.”) I felt like he was maybe trying to get attention. (mission accomplished) And I felt like he was trying to be cool for the sake of being cool (one of my particular pet peeves).

If this post had been a new post, there’s no way it would have gotten this much attention—it wouldn’t have been so drastically out of context. But think of it this way: if someone walked up to you in real life and asked “why do I kill conversations? is it cuz I’m stupid?” and you reassured them and gave helpful comments and then they looked at you and broke into stream of conciousness rambling: “so, kim was married. i was single. we didn’t do anything …” would you react positively? hey, dude, way to go. that’s so great and creative! Or would you be pretty offended that the person thought so little of you that he didn’t even bother to include you and your comments into his conversation?

I believe that I AM embracing the entire cino community. I want people to have a place to do rambles and poetry and keyboard art and whatever else—I don’t know why we didn’t think of it before! I would check it out ALL the time. Pacey is completely wrong in saying that I am uncomfortable with blah blah blah discrimination blah blah blah file it away blah blah blah.

Embracing the entire cino community does not mean blindly fawning over every piece of shite that flies from a person’s fingers.

You know, I’ve always wondered if, when doing laundry, I’m actually participating in an act of segregation and discrimination by separating the whites/creams from the other colors.

Pacey, there’s nothing discriminatory about organizing a message board like this one into categories so people don’t have to waste time sifting and winnowing through messages that are irrelevant to their interests. Putting poetry and other personal contributions of that nature into a category is not discriminating. It’s merely organizational and administrative.

I continue to respectfully disagree with your umbrageous reaction to my bong comment. Instead of picking a fight about a bong joke with someone 1,000 miles away, why not address the language of the Bronx inhabitants you mentioned a number of posts above. In other words, take your sentient policing of the lexicon to the real streets. I remain happily oblivious to my overly-sensitive side, despite your efforts to the contrary.

p.s. According to your argument regarding the legitimate/illegitimate placement of enok’s stream of consciousness story, I guess it would make “sense” if you were to reply to this post in the politics or money discussion forum on *cino, rather than (logically) in the forum in which we’re talking about it.

Dan, I’d love to hear you go off in German.